Drug Testing

Are you concerned at the wide variety of chemical cocktails now being sold on the street as 'Ecstasy'?

Sasha Not only the quality of a drug that's used but even it's identity is something that I feel is one of the most needed public health contributions. That someone who had a drug could submit a part of it to test - it could be a colour test, it could be a very crude test, but it would serve to exclude a drug being there if it did not pass the test. In Amsterdam you can go and have an analysis made of a drug you're about to take. It should be available to everyone and anyone, but in this country (America) there is no legal way of doing it.

There was a group down the peninsular below San Francisco called Pharmcem that would have 'Analysis Anonymous'. You sent in a tablet and a ten dollar bill and gave a five digit number and then in a week you gave the five digit number by phone and they'd say "Oh yes, that was MDA, about 75 milligrams." Then because of pressure from the government that this was giving a quality control aspect to drug dealers, they blocked any quantitative measure. Then about two or three years later they blocked any qualitative measure because that also gives quality control - in essence you are providing information to the drug market. Of course you're providing information to the drug market - it's there!

Ann It gave the wrong message.

Sasha If I were ever to get into enough of a pathological place that I would choose to run for election in politics, one of my platforms would be never use the phrase "It sends the wrong message," because many sad directions have been taken in public policy because of the fear that it might indicate the approval of that type of behaviour. "Do not teach about the use of condoms because it sends the wrong message" - that sex is OK for young people. "We don't want to send that message". And yet young people are going to go sex, sex, sex, anyway. I think for public health purposes, some balance should be found, and the same is true of the use of drugs.

Ann The unspoken message of this is "If you go against the authorities you deserve to be very sick or die." That's actually what's being said. "You deserve what happens to you." And that I find very disturbing.

The Recipes

Sasha I put the recipes in a chemical vocabulary, the terminology is taken straight from the Journal of Medicinal Chemistry where I have published many of these in the first place, in the classic scientific passive voice, the necessary merit badge of authority. But many of these things have already been published in the literature - they're scattered, but many have already been published. Some of them are new materials or new procedures that I have worked out and they have not been published but I want them in the public domain.

Alexander Shulgin in 'The Lab' The time will come, not this year I think, maybe in a few years, maybe in a while when all this area will be known and recognised as being of value both in research and in clinical work, and at that time all these recipes must be available. I still have my laboratory and what I do there is completely legal. I do not develop new psychedelic drugs because it is illegal, now in this country to develop psychedelic drugs. But I can develop new chemical processes, I can work on new materials that might have some medical use - like right now I have a patent pending on a family of anti-depressants. It might not go anywhere, but one never knows.

Bad Medicine

Sasha There have been a number of very difficult experiences, there have been a number of very frightening ones. Part of the learning process can be very frightening. Sometimes you can have materials that have properties, this has happened with three or four compounds, that are basically negative - they are physically disturbing - I feel signs of toxicity that I do not care for, elements of pain here, or body function that is not correct, and they are put into a category of "these materials are not correct". What I did to create that molecule was not correct and I will try to find some other way of changing the molecule.

Have you ever worried that your own brain chemistry might be altered
by these experiments, over time?


Sasha I'm a 'one time through the river walker'. I can't really tell you that! (Laughter)

Ann I keep watch!

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